Larry Collins "Larico" single neck

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Re: Larry Collins "Larico" single neck

Postby dubtrub » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:22 pm

Dennisthe Menace wrote:Not that it really matters, but I had always heard of this bridge being referred to as
the 'dog-bone bridge' (the base plate underneath had earned this model the name)..... :?:

http://www.elderly.com/accessories/items/0240.htm

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Re: Larry Collins "Larico" single neck

Postby Deke Dickerson » Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:02 am

Hey Terry!

The guitar is looking great! (I got to see it when Larry first sent it to Terry, and it looked pretty bad) Glad to see the Larrico will rock once again.

As far as the Carvin bridge is concerned, I don't think they were made by Bigsby even though Carvins used Bigsby tailpieces on their high-end models in the 50's and 60's. The bridge piece--just like the ones on some of the Rickenbacker 450's and Electro student models--look to me to be Bigsby bridge COPIES, I think they tried to copy the intonation feature but they weren't made by Bigsby, because they don't look like his castings.

The easiest source for vintage Carvin parts is just to rob them off an old Carvin! The guitars are cool, but pretty basic and homely, I love 'em but I certainly don't think they are sacred cows. Of course, I agree with you that the Bigsby bridge and the tune-o-matic base is a pretty good compromise.

And I think you hit the nail on the head--I think the forstner bit "hog out" on the back of those guitars was done post-finish in an attempt to bring down the weight. Every one of Semie's 50's guitars was super-heavy, and I'm guessing after the artist played the guitars a few times, they came back to Semie and asked to make them lighter.

I have no idea who Stan Welch was, but the same basic design was used on a lot of the pre-Bakersfield guitars: german carved top, flat back with the wood "hogged out" from the back, big plate over the back. I think he learned that from Rickenbacker, they used that same method on their first series of spanish electrics from the 1950's--the Combo 400 and Combo 800 models. If you look at those Rickenbackers carefully (the Paul Barth designed models that predated the Roger Rossmeisl designed models), they are sort of the missing link guitars between Bigsby and Mosrite. You can see where Semie got all of his ideas--Paul Barth and Roger Rossmeisl, with a sprinkling of Paul Bigsby.

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Re: Larry Collins "Larico" single neck

Postby moaimen » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:59 am

Here's the back of a 1955 Rickenbacker Combo 600
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Re: Larry Collins "Larico" single neck

Postby Deke Dickerson » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:01 am

Whoa! Very cool, Moaimen! Is that your guitar?

I had actually never noticed that those Rickenbackers had the output jack on the same plate as the strap button....that must be an item they shared with the steel guitars 'cause it doesn't make any sense on a Spanish guitar!

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Re: Larry Collins "Larico" single neck

Postby moaimen » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:48 pm

It USED to be my guitar, I stupidly sold it years ago.
Oh well, easy come easy go. (insert smiley face shooting itself in the head).
Bigsby, Barth, Semie, Leo all sharing/stealing ideas, what a time.

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Re: Larry Collins "Larico" single neck

Postby Deke Dickerson » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:36 pm

Moaimen--

Don't kill yourself too much over selling that Rick, as cool as they are, those things are impossible to play with that pickup and the weird bridge/tailpiece thing....

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Re: Larry Collins "Larico" single neck

Postby dubtrub » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:42 pm

Hey Terry,

Be sure and post some pics when that guitar is done. Especially the headstock. Looking through some old posts, I found this one where you posted some additional information. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=725
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Re: Larry Collins "Larico" single neck

Postby thunderhead » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:50 pm

That Guitar is so very interesting. Can't believe how crude that thing is hollowed out :!: Tons of Vibe :ugeek: :!:
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Re: Larry Collins "Larico" single neck

Postby dubtrub » Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:09 pm

Hey Terry,

Any progress on the bridge for the Larico single neck? Check out these bridges. They're probably about the same time frame. Also those old acoustic guitar bridges had small diameter adjusting screws, explaining why the screw holes in the Larico body are so small. Apparently Semie was a fan of modifying these types of bridges to use on his guitars.

I know the wheels would be too large, so my guess would be the wheel part would be filed or turned down on a drill press and the top of the screw hacksaw slotted for screw driver adjustment.

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Re: Larry Collins "Larico" single neck

Postby TerryTNM » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:36 pm

Danny,
Thanks for the inquiry. I'm going to have to finish that project.
I'm just pondering that it may not have had thumb nuts at all. As you saw the holes in the body that had threads still visible. I think it's possible that Semie just threaded the bridge posts into the body and raised and lowered the strings with a slotted post with the bridge sitting on some sort of washer. I don't think I'll be doing that but haven't quite decided how to handle the situation yet. Perhaps an old rosewood bridge like in your picture with the nuts turned down.


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