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[Veenture]

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[johnnyboy1234]

Great website!!! It should be noted that the patent for the Moseley tremelo was filed on May 11th, 1964. So those guitars that do have the tremelo with that patent number may be earlier models than the granted date of March 1966.

[Sarah93003]

Great website!!! It should be noted that the patent for the Moseley tremelo was filed on May 11th, 1964. So those guitars that do have the tremelo with that patent number may be earlier models than the granted date of March 1966.

I don't understand. If the patent was granted on March 1, 1966 any guitar with a tremolo that shows the patent number will be after that date of 3/1/1966.

I think the correct timeline will be: 1) Celebrities with a "Vibramute" half tremolo, 2) Celebrities with a "Moseley" half tremolo without a patent number, and then 3) Celebrities with a "Moseley" half tremolo with a patent number stamped above the name.

This of course, does NOT take into account a Celebrity with a full tremolo, such as the one example I show with a Moseley full tremolo. I don't know the story on this one at all.

Any thoughts on this?

[KRamone27]

Great site Sarah. Never realized there was so much info about the Celebrity models.

[Dennisthe Menace]

I think the correct timeline will be: 1) Celebrities with a "Vibramute" half tremolo, 2) Celebrities with a "Moseley" half tremolo without a patent number, and then 3) Celebrities with a "Moseley" half tremolo with a patent number stamped above the name.

This of course, does NOT take into account a Celebrity with a full tremolo, such as the one example I show with a Moseley full tremolo. I don't know the story on this one at all.
Any thoughts on this?

Sarah, I believe the time sequence you stated for the trem systems are correct. I also believe that this is exactly what happened with the Combos as well. I have either a very late '65 or a very early '66 Combo with the Jewel knobs (lathed), trus rod cover on the headstock, but yet it has the full one piece trem system found on Ventures Models. About mid '66, the Combos were fitted with the the half piece trem system. So I'm wandering if this is what happened with the very early Celebritys with a full one piece unit, meaning that there may be more out there somewhere, but not as many as the Combo Model. Maybe we will see more surface as time goes on. Look at all of the info we have already learned just by looking on E-Bay, members that have joined the Forum, etc, etc........who knew???

[johnnyboy1234]

Correct me if I'm wrong but...the patent number is applied so no one will steal the idea and once it is granted it's taken off...kinda like PAF's. I'll ask Dana next weekend at the Guitar show...maybe she can enlighten. Also I have an August '65 with a Moseley with the # on the tailpiece. Maybe some of the other members can help.

[Sarah93003]

Correct me if I'm wrong but...the patent number is applied so no one will steal the idea and once it is granted it's taken off...kinda like PAF's. I'll ask Dana next weekend at the Guitar show...maybe she can enlighten. Also I have an August '65 with a Moseley with the # on the tailpiece. Maybe some of the other members can help.

Actually, that is not correct. It's the other way around. During the time that the application for the patent is pending, an inventor may mark the invention with the term "patent pending" or "patent applied for" (PAF). These notices have no legal effect, although they do provide notice that a patent application has been filed with the PTO (Patent Trademark Office). Use of these terms or any toher implying that an application for a patnet has been made, when it has not, is a violation of statute and is punishable by fine. See 35 U.S.C. § 292.

Once a patent has been issued, its owner may give notice that an article or invention is patented by using the word "patent" or its abbreviation "pat." together with the number of the patent. The notice may be placed on the article or on a label attached to the article. False marking is prohibited and is punishable by fine.

If Dana has worked in a law office, or is knowledgeable about intellectual property law, then she may tell you the same answer. I do not believe that is her background, as a guess. I am a paralegal in a law office with a strong background in intellectual property, so I'm just giving it to you straight.

So, back to your guitar. If your tremolo has the patent number stamped into it, then it was made after 3/1/1966. Therefore, either your guitar is later than that and this is a possibility, or the tremolo was added after the fact, also a possibility. Why do you believe it is August 1965?

[Sarah93003]

I think the correct timeline will be: 1) Celebrities with a "Vibramute" half tremolo, 2) Celebrities with a "Moseley" half tremolo without a patent number, and then 3) Celebrities with a "Moseley" half tremolo with a patent number stamped above the name.

This of course, does NOT take into account a Celebrity with a full tremolo, such as the one example I show with a Moseley full tremolo. I don't know the story on this one at all.
Any thoughts on this?

Sarah, I believe the time sequence you stated for the trem systems are correct. I also believe that this is exactly what happened with the Combos as well. I have either a very late '65 or a very early '66 Combo with the Jewel knobs (lathed), trus rod cover on the headstock, but yet it has the full one piece trem system found on Ventures Models. About mid '66, the Combos were fitted with the the half piece trem system. So I'm wandering if this is what happened with the very early Celebritys, meaning that there may be more out there somewhere, but not as many as the Combo Model. Maybe we will see more surface as time goes on. Look at all of the info we have already learned just by looking on E-Bay, members that have joined the Forum, etc, etc........who knew???

Dennis, that is very interesting. I really know nothing of the Combos and had never seen one in person until March of this year when I visited Front Porch Music. I was shocked by how big they are! Does the Combo have a flat top as opposed to an archtop?

I think the half tremolo was created to compensate for the archtop as I would expect the large flat bottom of the full tremolo would not seat properly. Is your full tremolo a Vibramute or a Moseley?

[Dennisthe Menace]

Dennis, that is very interesting. I really know nothing of the Combos and had never seen one in person until March of this year when I visited Front Porch Music. I was shocked by how big they are! Does the Combo have a flat top as opposed to an archtop?

I think the half tremolo was created to compensate for the archtop as I would expect the large flat bottom of the full tremolo would not seat properly. Is your full tremolo a Vibramute or a Moseley?

Yes mine has the flat top with the German Carve and the Moseley trem. I don't recall it having the patent # on it in which I'll have to check the next time I go to my "Vault ." Although the full piece trem worked on the Combo, I'm wandering if Semie decided to establish a 'signature type' hardware on all of the hollow/semi-hollow bodies with the half piece units .

[Sarah93003]

Dennis, that is very interesting. I really know nothing of the Combos and had never seen one in person until March of this year when I visited Front Porch Music. I was shocked by how big they are! Does the Combo have a flat top as opposed to an archtop?

I think the half tremolo was created to compensate for the archtop as I would expect the large flat bottom of the full tremolo would not seat properly. Is your full tremolo a Vibramute or a Moseley?

Yes mine has the flat top with the German Carve and the Moseley trem. I don't recall it having the patent # on it in which I'll have to check the next time I go to my "Vault ." Although the full piece trem worked on the Combo, I'm wandering if Semie decided to establish a 'signature type' hardware on all of the hollow/semi-hollow bodies with the half piece units .

Hmmm, it's difficult to say. It could simply be that the half trem was cheaper to produce. I'm looking forward to what you find on your Combo, especiall the existance or lack of the patent number.